is the only one of those four Remington rounds still in production, although few rifles have been chambered for it of late. A number of the cartridges were Ackleys designs while the others had been sent to him by various other developers for inclusion in his two-volume Handbook For Shooters & Reloaders. consisted of 5-shot groups at 100 yards. can also be quite accurate. the average group size between 1.125 MOA and 1.531 MOA across all five Ruger No. Accurate Arms was incorporated in McEwen, Tennessee, in 1980, after several years of selling surplus powders from the U.S. government. By this same token, if the bullets jacket is too hard then controlled and predictable expansion on target can not be relied on, which it needs to be if it is to withstand the friction and heat generated when fired at hyper-velocity. The spherical powder flows easily and precisely through a powder measure. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. If my 57-year-old eyes are clear that day. This is still capable of cleanly killing a fox. JavaScript is disabled. Greetings. HORNADY Varmint Express: high 2698 fps; low 2621 fps; My most accurate 41 mag load still is a Lyman 410610 GC WW pushed by 21.3 grains 296 in my 41 Mag Dan Wesson 8 " heavy barrel. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. The 260 has become very popular in sniper shooting competitions. (See the article Compared: .17 HMR Varmint Ammunition for more details about .17 HMR ammo.). The Model 8 was offered in the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remingtons. I dumped 19.5 grains of A-2520 directly from a powder measure into .17 Remington Fireball cases and seated Hornady 25-grain V-MAX bullets. However, some Marlin Model 336s have been observed with very short throats that may contact the bullet when a cartridge is chambered. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. You won't find a powder that will work "ideal" for both the .223 and the 25/06. As with the 6.5 Creedmoor, it performs best on elk when loaded with tough, deep-penetrating bullets. As with most cartridges to be used in rifles with tubular magazines, only roundnose or flatnose bullets should be used when loading the cartridgeunless you are using Hornadys flexible-tip FTX bullets. ammunition manufacturers for chronograph testing. The reason for this precaution is due to the possibility that when a round is fired, the nose of a bullet of a cartridge in the magazine might set off the primer of the round ahead of it. HORNADY Varmint Express: smallest group 5/8"; largest The .223 Remington was developed as a varmint cartridge. . The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. Berger bullet You must log in or register to reply here. Unfortunately, most of this success is due to its widespread use in semi-automatic rifles. This is using the 25 VMAX and Benchmark. Accurate 2460 and Sierra 69-grain bullets in the .223 Remington combined for these groups at 100 yards. Just think of where it has been, the game it has taken, and the hours of shooting enjoyment it has provided over the decades. 1-9/16"; mean average group = 1-1/4". and Shooting Online Chrony chronograph. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. exceeded its catalog MV by 108 fps and the CCI A17 load exceeded its Powder charges dispense precisely from a powder measure, cutting down on the time loading .223s for the spring gopher campaign. It never failed, allways shot them behind the shoulder. is rather low, at 33,500 psi, so the case is rather lightly constructed. fun. Also important is to use bullets with a cannelure and to crimp the case mouth to keep the bullet from being pushed back into the case under recoil, which can raise pressures dramatically. The die in the middle is the Lee Factory Crimp Die, and it firmly crimps the case neck into the bullets cannelure, which is essential for consistent ballistics and safe handloads. The list of bullets suitable for the .35 Rem. You can use W-748 - 29gn drives the Hornady 50gn Z-Max at 3400 fps; 28gn gets the Speer 52gn HP going 3350 fps; 27gn drives the Sierra 55gn Super Roo at 3300; and 25.5gn pushes the Hornady 60gn V-Max along at about 3100 fps. These powders were originally intended for target shooters, but the two powders also work well in small-game cartridges. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. The Federal Premium V-Shok load we tested uses a 17 All five groups were shot with Accurate 2495 and Nosler 70-grain Ballistic Tips from a Cooper Firearms Model 22 .243 Winchester. (Several gun experts of my acquaintance think the likelihood of such an explosion is slight, but why take a chance?). Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. However, there is always some V-MAX bullet at a MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. I never used RL19, so I have no . I have now owned five different .17 Remingtons and served my apprenticeship on the reloading table and in the field to see just how these mini-torpedoes tick. staff members, including yours truly, shot groups through five Drifts at 300 yards in a 10-mph cross breeze are 14 inches for the .17 Hornet versus 11 inches for the .223 Rem. It shoots tighter than I can hold. Joseph Von Benedikt shows his custom 500 and how well it shoots. The .172 (not .177) calibre is tiny and the barrels, cleaning rods, powder funnels as well as good bullets, all proved difficult to source. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several . To achieve a balance between keeping the bullet together on firing while travelling up the bore, the bullet actually has to be tough around the jacket and therefore the tip is really the only area that can be fragile to initiate expansion. This is the powder I load in my Cooper Firearms Model 22 .243 for target shooting. at 3,800 fps has close to the same trajectory. They are accurate, flat shooting, quiet and have practically no Seated to touch & group sizes will double. (Both 15-grain and 18-grain bullets can be loaded faster but you are restricted by barrel length to achieve velocities and erratic bullet performance, blow-ups for instance.). MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. were set between 9x and 12x, depending on shooter preference. the problem. The best load I ever came up with was; Bullet Remington's 25gr HP, when you could get them, you may find a few still around if not {Substitute Hornady 25gr HP} The powder charge I used was; On the primers for a .17 Remington; I used Federal 205, 205M, CCI BR-4, CCI 450, and CCI#41 {the #41 was a mistake} WSR, RWS 4033 and Russian KVB-223 all properly seated. Westerns data guide lists A-2200 loads for the .17 Hornet, .223 Remington, 6mm PPC and 6mm BR. grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 In the .257 Ackley Improved, the powder shot Sierra 100-grain Pro-Hunter bullets at 3,018 fps. velocity at 10', rather than actual MV. Remington's Premier load offers a 17 grain AccuTip-V Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. Trump being classless, tasteless and clueless as usual. If the rifles are compared based on the average group size achieved with their favored brand of ammo the results are as follows. I tried 26 grains of Win 760 with hornady 25grain hps and got some better results with that(not that much better though only about 1.5 MOA). The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. At 100 yards, which is a realistic distance at which you are going to shoot, the velocity has bled off to 3,010fps and the energy figures have plummeted to just over 302ft/lb, which is more than half the available energy lost before it reaches the target at 100 yards. This medium-burning, double-base spherical powder works best in the .223 Remington shooting 55-grain and heavier bullets. I should add, that although the Berger's are a bit pricey, I think they are very much worth it. That pair shot five bullets well under .5 inch the best the old Swift rifle has shot any load. 17 Fireball accuracy. Choose the most accurate and effective bullet weight in your own gun. These are 5-shot groups fired at 100 yard targets. CCI TNT ammo exceeded its advertised MV by 34 fps, the Federal Premium Using Hornady .17 Hornet brass to form .17 Ackley Hornet cases eliminates the need for case-forming dies. Notes: This data was shot by Brian Pearce, Wolfe Publishing Company. As part of this comparison we decided to chronograph the Power Pro 2000MR, IMR 4064, VV N135, TAC, and X-Terminator showed promise with good groups and low C.O.V.s. A decrease in body taper gained back some of the capacity loss, but its gross water capacity is still about one grain less than for Ackleys version. The .17 Winchester Super Magnum (.17 WSM) is based on a Winchester .270 commercial nail gun case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. My Uberti-made 1858 Remington .44 at 25 yards will put six balls into a 2" group from a benchrest. Accuracy for a charge of 44.0 grains of LVR was excellent at 0.90 inch. Most .17 caliber bullets are much lighter than those of .22 caliber, and that makes them greatly dependent on high velocities for quick kills on varmints. I picked up a rifle that I've been wanting for a long time: a 700 Classic in 17 Remington. Well, the reasons are simple. The 7mm Remington Magnum was introduced in 1962 along with the new Remington Model 700. Accordingly, I sight-in my .17 HMR rifle to hit 1.5" high at I really need to work up a load with some TAC. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. Re: 17 Remington Load Data. | When it comes down to velocity, the .17 Rem. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. The It's pure poison on deer-size game out to 600 yards. Part of the appeal of the .17 Remington is the speed of the bullet coupled with the on-target expansion. Hornady Load Data. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. It produced about the highest velocities of all the Accurate powders tested in the .223 with 40- to 60-grain bullets. Nevertheless, there was only a .5-inch difference between the groups shot with the three powders. Test handloads for the .35 Remington were assembled with Hornady dies and shellholder No. 71 fps; average = 2775 fps. Neither the author nor Outdoor Sportsman Group assumes any liability for accidents or injury resulting from the use or misuse of this data. Hornady Manufacturing Company load data in .17 Rem. I got to know Ackley while he was doing some rifle work for me during the 1960s and 70s. But he became best known for the development of wildcat and improved cartridges bearing his name. Ive loaded A-2495 in the .243 Winchester shooting 70-grain bullets. The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. Since the .35 Rem. The 30-grain Berger bullet is a very good choice for foxes with good retained energy, expansion and down-range wind-bucking capabilities. : 41,500 50,400 CUP The 220-grain bullet clocked 2,131 fps over 43.0 grains of LVR. In addition to the soft polymer tip, the FTX has a high antimony core, and the jacket has the InterLock ring for reliable penetration and good expansion. Its the same powder as Ramshots X-Terminator. But I and my customers experienced an almost Zen-like target using my commercial 230g Golden Saber SD load. Both bullets have been pretty accurate with a little load work up. (If you don't The The V-Maxs are my all-time favourite, they shoot flat, are accurate and humanely despatch the quarry like nothing else. The chronograph was A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. Accurate 4350 excels in .25-caliber cartridges. loads, this is obviously very accurate factory loaded ammunition. ambient air temperature varied between 55 and 80 degrees. largest group 2-3/4"; mean average group = 1-13/32". According to the story, OBrien wagered that his guide could not kill the bear with his rifle in .17 Mach IVand lost the bet. Alliants AR-Comp, Power Pro 2000MR, and 1200-R; Vihta Vuori N133; and Accurate 2015 and LT-32 (now part of Hodgdon) are also suitable. We offer Hornady load data with over 180.000 loads in our database, covering over 300 Hornady bullets in over 175 calibers with all suitable powders on the market. The testing was done over several range sessions. with all common powders and bullets by clicking the "Loads in this caliber" button above. It can be loaded in the .22 Hornet and in the .223 Remington with 55-grain and lighter bullets. Oleman Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington) Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI) . The Federal Premium V-Shok load we tested uses a 17 grain Speer TNT JHP bullet at a claimed MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. also used in CCI and Remington factory loads. the .17 HMR cartridge is very susceptible to the effects of wind, we I do NOT recommend this load for any other 41 Mag revolver. One of the most economical options for a .17 HMR rifle that can still deliver hails from Brazil. Jeff has done a great job with the conversion and I finally had some time this weekend to sight in the gun and test some loads. The one I have now is a SAKO A1. chosen because it has a 24" barrel, the standard length used by most of in all my years of chronograph testing. rifles still filling freezers with venison, walls with mounted deer heads, and floors with bearskin rugs. group 1-3/4"; mean average group = 1-1/8". I'll be trying a load .5 gr. The 200-grain FTX load with 46.0 grains of LVR averaged 2,163 fps with a 0.83-inch group average. Plus, these fine-grained powders metered well. When introducing the .17 Remington Fireball in 2008, Remington copied the .17 Mach IV case with the exception of a couple of dimensions. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. It has a 20-inch barrel with Marlins Micro-Groove rifling and a 1:16-inch twist, and it wears a Cabelas Pine Ridge 3-9X 40mm scope. .17 Remi Velocity was instrumental 15 feet ahead of the muzzle. AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. These were usually 17 grain varmint hunting loads The powder is just right for the Swift. The most unusual result from our chronographing is that Copyright 2005, 2017 by ChuckHawks.com. Last edited by obaro; 04/10/20 09:18 AM. Alternatives, getting heavy The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. All loads were fired at a distance of 50 yards from the benchrest in my shooting building. My personal-for-my- Caspiangun-only most accurate load came from them pesky Rainier 200g PHPs that I couldn't get to run right until I loaded them over a wee bit (3.8g) of Bullseye. While velocities with this stick powder lagged a bit behind the LVR loads, accuracy in the Model 336 was 0.67 inch with the Speer 180-grain SPFN and 0.83 inch with the Hornady 200-grain FTX. his or her individual rifle. If I dropped the charge accuracy went in the dumps. 4831 is the better powder for the 25/06. The (left) .22-250 Remington is based on a necked-down .250 Savage. The distances at which the bullets still have 1,000 ft-lbs of retained energy is 265 yards for the FTX and 175 yards for the roundnose. He called it the .17 Pee Wee and built a dramatically scaled-down 1917 Enfield action specifically for it. U.S.-made A-2700 is a medium-burning, double-base spherical powder suited to the .22-250 Remington, .220 Swift and .243 Winchester. BP-B2. Its not the flattest-shooting varmint combination, but the whole idea is to crawl within 150 yards of marmots sunning on big boulders. They are also very safe to shoot since the bullets do not exit the carcase and ricochets are non-existent just right for around the farm. rifle to do some accuracy testing to discover what load shoots best in At longer ranges past 200 yards the 30-grain bullets do not always expand predictably, so take note. Rob. After that, the die is set for head-spacing on the shoulder of the case. need to hold 5.5" above the desired point of impact. 22g of H322 with a 25g Berger, always use a thick cup primer in the 17 Remington: Standard load for a 17 Remington is 24g of 4320, but velocity is 4150 and you will have to de copper after 25 rounds, especially in a new barrel. This the standard, not the Fireball. This powder also flows precisely through a powder measure. This is in my opinion an exceptional load as it will not only make small groups but also makes a very good roe deer load and all that at a very reasonable price. Accurate 5744 and Berger 40-grain Varmint bullets at 2,438 fps shot this group at 100 yards. Aug 29, 2009 Was at the gun show this am, looking for some h 4350 powder. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. Brass Mfg: Winchester. used in the rifles. Pressures are about 20,000 pounds per square inch (psi) with 12.0 grains of A-5744 and Lymans 225646 55-grain cast bullet in the .223. At that pressure level with A-2460, 50-grain bullets were fired at nearly 3,600 fps from the .223, and 69-grain bullets were fired at close to 3,000 fps, again with great accuracy. CCI A17 load was chronographed using a Savage A17 test rifle with a 22" Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. Nov 2, 2020. A standard for the .35 Rem. The lighter bullet can be boosted by 46.0 grains of LEVERevolution (LVR) to 2,316 fps, which produces a muzzle energy of 2,144 ft-lbs. Wind resistance? That total does not include practice, published MV by a whopping 125 fps. hotter than the one listed in the 1st post and hope to be getting approx. You won't be disappointed if you can find all the components. You can also check in our bullet database for which Hornady bullets we offer . and 28-degree shoulder. It's also capable of long-distance shots. After looking at load data for the 17 Mach IV and looking at Quickload, it seems something in the burn rate of IMR 4198, Vihta Vuori N110, Alliant 2400, Alliant Reloader 7, Hodgdon Lil'Gun, Alliant Blue Dot, and IMR 4227 would meet the requirement. The factory ammo was and is very accurate ammo, this load may possible be Remington's recipe. Picked up a nice CZ 527 varmint a month ago. REMINGTON Premier AccuTip-V: high 2626 fps; low 2591 Barrel Break-In: What It Is. I've used IMR 4350 and IMR 4831. Without the proper cleaning kit some shooters just left their barrels dirty and through this the stories of inaccuracy and bore-erosion started. I also load 72gr in a Browning X-bolt, for a good . Groups were nice round clusters, not two here and three there. Ballistic uniformity was just fine, with the coefficient of variation (C.O.V.) Hornady offers a Varmint Express load using a 17 grain rounds of ammunition for record. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. If the loaded round is ejected, this can cause the bullet to be stuck in the throat. CCI's published 100 I was shooting a custom Remington 40X in .220 Swift, and out to 300 yards my friend never failed to match me shot for shot. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. After firing many rounds through a Marlin Model 336, I have to say that LVR is far and away the best powder for this cartridge, but there are several other propellants that also work well. The .35 Remingtons rim was slightly larger, at 0.460 inch, and the case was a little shorter, 1.92 inches versus 2.03 inches for the other Remington rounds. Beyond that distance, the Swift was the clear winner at bucking wind and dropping whistle pigs in mid-munch. can also be quite accurate. Seems like once I settle on a load, the bullet is discontinued. The subcompact GLOCK 42 carries 6+1 rounds of. This bullet is a plastic-tip, boat-tail design that is Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Considering that I can't get anywhere close to the lands, I think this about the best I can do. 15 yards isn't much of a test for accuracy. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. It ignites easily and produces uniform velocities, even though a charge of A-5744 may occupy only a portion of a cartridge case. When both are loaded to maximum chamber pressures and fired in barrels of the same length, the Ackley cartridge is about 100 fps faster. Similarly with the 18 grain, 24 grain of RL15 yielded only 3,875fps and an increase of one grain to 25 grain topped out at 4,222fps. Tips, techniques, and equipment are applied to these classroom discussions on how to become more proficient and successful at making long-range shots while hunting with AR-platform rifles. And the recommended trim length is 1.910 inches. 24.0g of IMR 4350 with a Rem 7 1/2 (Warning do not use a thin cup primer with the 17 Remington) 25g bullet = 4100+ Decopper your barrel frequently, use good bronze bristle brushes often and throw them away after 100 strokes. What It Is Not. Dimensional differences between the two cases are so slight that load data for the two are interchangeable. It had a 24-inch heavy barrel. Westerns data guide shows 45.0 grains of the powder in the Swift firing a 50-grain bullet at 4,035 fps. My most accurate 222 rem. In the course of accuracy testing the various .17 HMR 25, 50, 100, and 200 yards, but all of our shooting for record was done The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. 26. The data guide lists .223 Remington loads for A-2495 with 80- and 90-grain bullets. So if you find yourself in possession of a nice vintage rifle chambered for the .35 Rem., do not despair. five .17 HMR loads. Regardless, it was a foolish stunt. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. The accuracy and integrity of the larger 30 grain ensures a better ballistic coefficient and, as such, retains more energy down-range and is better constructed to penetrate foxes yet still expand without any nasty entry wounds, so long as the range is not too long. like the weather in Eugene, wait a while and it will change.) AVERAGE GROUP SIZE WITH MOST ACCURATE BRAND OF AMMUNITION. I shoot mostly 25gr v-max , pushed by TAC in my 17 these days , I feel it gives a little more splat than the 20 gr. One is the Marlin Model 336 lever action (made in 1975). 17 REMINGTON 17 REMINGTON The following data was developed in a Sako A1 rifle. Eugene, Oregon. Absolutely uncanny.. sierra Gameking , AOL. This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. Years ago, a friend who worked at Remington informed me that more Model 700 rifles in .17 Rem. Only thing I don't like about the 17 cal is, bullets. Formed by necking down Remingtons .221 Fireball case and increasing shoulder angle to 30 degrees, OBrien claimed a velocity of 3,700 fps for a 25-grain bullet. The .35 Rem. However, I have a good H4350 load for the. that the averages below would have been smaller if testing had taken Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. 100 yard groups running from .5 minute of angle (MOA) to .9375 MOA and This fast-burning, double-base, extruded powder is made in Canada. That load will print right at 2.25" at 100 yards with me in the Creedmore position. Mag. Hornady bullets registered 2,454 fps burning 51.5 grains of the powder from the 22-inch barrel of a Remington Model 700 Whelen. became obvious that we were also, unavoidably, testing the ammunition
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